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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:48 am

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Sounds good.

Your server? or ours?

Need to password server.

Either way. The server needs to be started at 8:50 and people can get on. Takeoff when cockpit clock strikes 11. Mission lasts 2 hours.


Do you want to do multiple lives? and put in a 10 minute death timeout on the server. Just to let people stay in and see how things go?


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:56 am

Let's go with your server this time.

We can do multiple lives for the "rubber hand". It will give folks a chance to see how it goes as you say and is a good way to set the hook IMO.


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:49 am

S!

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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:44 am

S! All

Sorry that JG1 had a low turnout. It made the map feel a little big. As is, we had some good encounters. That first one went on for over 5 minutes. It felt very tense.

Aliied Killed 3 German supplies: train, Artty spot, ship.
Germans killed 2 Allied supplies: Ship and Artty spot. We almost had the bridge but not quite.



This brings me back to the reality problem. The rules were originally wrapped around th ewhole fog of war. One flight would not know what was happening to any other flight that was out of sight. Well the missions were designed that way also. That is why there are no subtitles when a target is hit. It would tell other people what was going on and where. With cross channel coms, the lack of subtitles is irelevant. The question is , should I add in Target destroyed and mission succesfull subtitles for the team that is destroying the target? eg: If you destroy a ship, only your team would see the message.

That still keeps info from the enemy.

The place I think it would help the most is arty and recon, so that you know you passed over the right spot and mission is counted.

What do you think?


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:33 am

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Link doesn't work.

When I was attempting the arty spot I had absolutely no idea nor indication I was doing it right. I saw no gun deployment nor damage being done. I am surprised to see we completed it. I just flew over our encampment three times and over the target twice.


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:53 am

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Fixed link

When we did it , we were able to see shell landing and buildings on fire. Unless you have done it a few times , it is very hard to tell how things are going.

I think subtitles would help.
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:21 pm

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Couldn't help myself. The JG1 server is running "JG1 Home field" . This is a program we use for practice and training. I added a couple of supply depot/Artty spot missions for both sides. Planes are air start.

I added the subtitles as well just to see how it goes.

There is a vehicle on the airfield at the Allied air start and for the Germans at both Cappy bases. Kill the vehicle and the map will start over so you can keep practicing.
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:48 pm

I don't care one way or the other regarding subtitles, so whatever you guys want is fine by me. There seems to be confusion yet r/t what we were looking for on our recon missions: a single hangar with a vehicle or an entire misplaced aerodrome with a vehicle moving?

Still, it was very fun and tense at times...I can't wait to do it again!


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:22 pm

JG1_Butzzell wrote:
The question is , should I add in Target destroyed and mission succesfull subtitles for the team that is destroying the target? eg: If you destroy a ship, only your team would see the message.

That still keeps info from the enemy.

The place I think it would help the most is arty and recon, so that you know you passed over the right spot and mission is counted.

What do you think?

I would say absolutely YES.

Because it's an up or down score and no value for a percentage of the success. Back in RB you knew when a target was down because the whole thing fell when enough damage was done. All you see in RoF is direct damage. So you cant be sure if the game scores it unless you get a subtitle. In real life you knew the more damage you did the harder to rebuild it. And you could weigh that potential against the value of hitting secondaries. This is a points based game and I think its only fair to let a pilot/team know when they have expended enough ordinance/time on an objective. If this were strictly a resource denial based game the subtitles would be irrelevant. A pilot would know visually the full effect on his objective.
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:39 pm

Yeah, what he said.


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:44 pm

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btw, the arty spot mission can be stopped at any time and picks up where you left off. If you are attacked during the mission you can run away and come back later.


As for subtittles, the things I come up with might not work. Take ships. "Busted Barge", "She's rolling over", "Nothing left but smoke on the water" or bridges "Bricks in the bubly", "No fishing here". I did a diferent phrase for each target. For the recons , I played it straight, "Photos complete" for the observation and "Pictures on the way to HQ" after you land and stop moving. All subtitles last 5 seconds amd are white text. I figure the guy doing the attack might not see the subtitle but someone else on the team surley will and mention it.


Do we need a subtitle contest, where people submit subtittles and then we vote for the ones we like?

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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:03 pm

"Feed the squirrels"

"All ground speed limits reduced to 10mph to preserve the valuable lives of squirrels"

"Moratorium on squirrel hunting enacted"

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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:29 pm

Dork


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:33 pm

Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:01 pm



"Moratorium on squirrel hunting enacted"

is ok


Everyone knows it's wabbit season!
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:42 pm

No.42_Flatspin wrote:
Dork

Humph! Some people just lack tolerance and sensitivity towards the self preservation and self interests of others. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:59 am

Be quiet, very quiet, I'm hunting Wabbits....
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:41 am

Similar mission tonight? Or just a mash-up on our new Fantasy Island map?


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:51 am

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Thought we would do same as last week. Same misison, now with subtitles.

Sound ok?
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:42 pm

Perfect.


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:00 am

S! All

I have no idea what the hicup was last night.

You guys killed the ship and the recon got messed up. I thought you also did an arty spot?

We completed artyspot, bridge and ship.

Our guys liked the subtitles as positive feedback. They make things run smoother.

btw we are keeping TRIAS. He was top ace with 6 victories. Salute

Is this working out as expected?
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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:21 am

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We did get a message of a successful arty spot a bit before the hicup.
I liked the subtitles.


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:24 am

I think the hiccup was caused by and partial failure or overloading of the network at the game facility's data center.

The reason I say this is i believe that your game server and ours are being hosted by the same company and at the same time the game server wigged out we had really bad latency to our TS server which is running on the same virtual machine as our RoF server.

Its just one of those things that happens from time to time.

And no you cant have TRIAS !!!!



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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:30 am

So how do we rectify it if this happens during a match?


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PostSubject: Re: Possible Dogfight?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:53 pm

Rectumfry?

uhmmm, you mean get him fixed? Let me get a veterinarian. Where did that squirel go?


I have not seen that problem before.

If it happens during a match, I would say it is null, void, cancelled and no cashews.

Because planes are limited and it messes up logs and such, you can not just continue. Since it is a 2 hour mission, restart is not really an option.


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